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[King Five]

I looked around and didn't see any threads about this.

I'd really like to see bump posts allowed again. Maybe every 48-72 hrs, like Piano Black said in the rules thread, or when your topic reaches the second page.

I think it'll help, that way you can bring it back the top without dropping a price, adding more pictures etc, instead of it being buried in newer threads ( I realize there isn't a whole ton of traffic, but still).

Anyone else agree?

Edited by King Five, 27 September 2011 - 01:54 PM.

[juansinanos]

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[King Five]

I understand the rules. I see that bump posts are not allowed.

I'm merely suggesting that maybe they be allowed, just limit them so they aren't out of control.

Edited by King Five, 27 September 2011 - 01:54 PM.

[FNH]

People are getting away with disguising bump posts, it happens.
My stance is it should be every 48 hours, and it must not be on the first page.

[Madkows]

To my understanding, we want it listed like an actual classifieds (Much like ASR). Once bumps are allowed, people with think free bumps and chatting in a sales thread is an okay thing to do, and we want to avoid it. BST is supposed to be a listing of sales, and not so much a discussion thread.

[juansinanos]

I think we should allow unlimited time for post edits so we don't even need to bump to add information.

[Madkows]

I'll see what Dragon and PB thinks. My only concern about that is someone could change out the information if a deal goes potentially wrong. But it does sound like a more sound way to get business done.

[kavurcen]

Eh. I'd rather have bumps. Once every 72 hours would be good. People are basically fabricating bumps in the form of additions/edits, and the lack of bumps makes the entire section sort of stagnate. The thing about a classifieds is that listings expire, whereas threads don't.
Also, the thing about unlimited editing is that there would be no way for buyers to see that there's been a price drop/edit.

Edited by kavurcen, 27 September 2011 - 06:05 PM.

[Piano Black]

Believe it or not, I'm actually paying attention to this thread. I won't state my opinion as most people here know it already and it's really easy to find, but I'm willing to entertain other ideas.

-Piano

[Pickles]

Im with kav on this. Every 48 or 72 hours a bump should be allowed.

[Jakobie1086]

I'm gonna have to jump on the pickles and kav bandwagon and agree with them.

I vote for bumps, but if you are worried about rank posting just make the posts in the sale section not count like you did with the OT section.

[kavurcen]

To add to this suggestion, if you're concerned about "free bumps" and stuff then implement a strict "discussion via PMs only" policy except for the addition of crucial details. I.e. trade offers and such would be via PM, and the only acceptable post in the thread would be asking for clarification on the nature or condition of the item itself or something to that extent.

[Pickles]

Jakobie1086, on 27 September 2011 - 09:52 PM, said:

I vote for bumps, but if you are worried about rank posting just make the posts in the sale section not count like you did with the OT section.

Piano already did this.

[Jakobie1086]

Pickles, on 28 September 2011 - 10:20 AM, said:

Piano already did this.

Then why can't we bump?

[Piano Black]

You can't illegally bump yet because I haven't sat down with the other admins and decided what guidance will be in place.

-Piano

[kavurcen]

So, to bring back an old idea, I have a slightly different one.
I was using Red-Alliance's B/S/T section and they have a very simple and effective bump rule.
If/when a topic reaches the second page of the forum then a bump is allowed. I think that would work really well here.
Thoughts?

[Piano Black]

My opinion on this matter is as follows:

1. If your topic has moved to the second page or further back, you should be able to bump it to the first page, BUT you must bump the post with a post that states why you're bumping it, e.g. "Second Page Bump."

2. If your topic is on the first page, but a week has passed, you should be able to bump it to the top, BUT you must do so with a post that states "One Week Bump, Item(s) Still Available."

Thoughts?
-Piano

[kavurcen]

Sounds like an excellent idea to me. I assume both of these bumps would have no affect on standing rules regarding price changes, item condition updates, etc.?

[Piano Black]

Pretty much, Kav. Everything on the "Good" list would still be good. However, everything on the "bad" list would also still be bad along with the moderator discretion clause. If your post contains the words "bump" and no explanation why, it's in the wrong. "Free bump," "bump," etc. are still not allowed.

-Piano

[Fyzix]

Piano Black, on 01 February 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

My opinion on this matter is as follows:

1. If your topic has moved to the second page or further back, you should be able to bump it to the first page, BUT you must bump the post with a post that states why you're bumping it, e.g. "Second Page Bump."

2. If your topic is on the first page, but a week has passed, you should be able to bump it to the top, BUT you must do so with a post that states "One Week Bump, Item(s) Still Available."

Thoughts?
-Piano

This is an excellent idea. Much better than mine was.

Edited by airsoftg36c, 02 February 2012 - 03:28 PM.

[kavurcen]

Any idea when this could be implemented, PB?

[Piano Black]

Hopefully before the next new moon. I need to gauge admin/moderator opinion.

-Piano

[kavurcen]

But... you are the B/S/T staff : P

[Romulus]

When I origionally built the sale section on the site the simplest option was to just eliminate bumps (which was why I did it). The sale section rules were created based on experiance with other forums sales systems (like Arnies). I personally have always found bumps annoying but if there is a compelling reason to allow them then I won't ignore a good logical argument.

However, I've always had to ask the question, "if your item hasn't sold or received any interest to the point that it is kicked to the second page might it not be a good idea to reduce the price or add more info?". I also know that, while our sale forums are productive, threads don't get pushed down particularly fast (it's not like a thread gets buried in 24 hours).

Other reasons that we didn't like bumping included members manipulating the sales system to rank post and having to scroll through a dozen bump posts only to find out that no relevent info has been added to an item description. Having a simple no bump rule is also easier to enforce and understand than a more complex system (and as all the sales mods over time can tell you people seem to have enough trouble just understanding "no bumps..."). I can only imagine the interesting excusses that we would get with a more complex system.

All this being said, I'm open to a good argument and more importantly I'm happy to defer to whoever is actually spending the time to run the sale forums from day to day.

I can probably put together a better argument for no bumps if given time but I just wanted to drop a quick note into this discussion while I had a minute.

[swishy]

I'm on over 10 other forums (different name), and they all have their different system. ASGI forum locks the FS thread right after it's been posted, and deletes it after 2 weeks. Most of the forums I'm on just allow bump posts when the add hits the seccond page or when it's been 3 days sense anything has happened with that thread. Airsoft society has a different section for sales all together, so any sale thread updates don't show up on the "view new content". I personally like bump posts, as long as they arn't over done (1 every day for instance). Weather we allow bump post or not doesn't really matter to me, but I think some other FS rules might be called for sense this topic has been discussed sense before I left.
Just my $.02

[andy]

I completely side with Romulus on this one. The Minnesota boards also have a no-bump policy, and I feel they summed it up nicely:

Sales topic rehashing or "BUMP"ing is not allowed. If you want your items to sell; lower your price, offer a different deal, separate items if in a package, or sell it elsewhere. The fact that you're item is not getting any interest, regardless of how many times you bring attention to it, should be an indication to change your method. To be blunt, no one cares about your NEED to sell an item. Change your sale or let it die. It's as simple as that.