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[Stealthmaster]

Hey guys, I was curious why this model (CM040D) is $180, while the CM047D is $140?

http://www.airsoftgi...roducts_id=4738

http://www.airsoftgi...roducts_id=4003

The CM047D is newer (correct?), so why is it $40 cheaper?

Other than that, is this model a good gun? (CM047D) Does it chrono in the 430s or is it more in the 400s? Are the bushings metal or plastic?

My friend has the FM/W AKM (CM036) and I love that thing. Externals are very nice (upper wooden handguard is a bit wobbly though) and the stock performance was great. (VERY accurate) I can only imagine how accurate it would be with a new bucking and a SCS.

I've always sorta liked AKs and I really like the two models I linked above.

What would be the 9.6v you could fit in the CM047? (I know it's a stick)

If you could choose between any of the CYMA Aks, which model would you suggest? (I prefer to have a "mid-sized one," full length AK-74s are a bit too long for my taste)

thanks

Edited by Stealthmaster, 02 October 2009 - 11:44 PM.

[Taco]

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The only real difference between these two seems to be the finish. Cyma's newer internals are able to last quite a while if you drop in a lighter spring and install metal bushings.

[Stealthmaster]

they7692, on 02 October 2009 - 11:32 PM, said:

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The only real difference between these two seems to be the finish. Cyma's newer internals are able to last quite a while if you drop in a lighter spring and install metal bushings.

Duh, I made the guns up. lol I copied this from another forum. Links are fixed now.

Do you happen to know which model has the better finish? Are they going to be the same internally? I'm pretty sure the newer models have metal bushings, otherwise they would fail really quickly on an M130+ spring with nylons.....

Edited by Stealthmaster, 02 October 2009 - 11:46 PM.

[Taco]

The CM040D has a darker finish, which I personally like the best, but to be true to the original AK104, the CM047D is CLOSER but not perfect (the metal bits are too matte black, they need to be more shiny).

As for the bushings, I was confusing it with the older Cyma AK models. These newer ones will have metal bushings or my skin is blue.

[Stealthmaster]

they7692, on 02 October 2009 - 11:54 PM, said:

The CM040D has a darker finish, which I personally like the best, but to be true to the original AK104, the CM047D is CLOSER but not perfect (the metal bits are too matte black, they need to be more shiny).

As for the bushings, I was confusing it with the older Cyma AK models. These newer ones will have metal bushings or my skin is blue.

Alright cool thanks. Is the CMO47D the newest model? I know the numbers usually go in order, but someone on another forum mentioned they went out of order at one point.

So basically, externals (like same material) and internals should be identical, the finish is just going to be different? Seeing as the CM047D is a lot cheaper, if I do end up getting one of these, I think that's the one I'll pick.

[Norinco QBZ-95]

The CM.036 uses the inferior Tokyo Marui design, which uses a lot more screws and does not put together like a real AK. The CM.047 uses the superior VFC design, which uses pins instead of screws just like a real AK. To completely strip the gun down, you only need to remove three screws.

However, there is a flaw with the design, since they were not faithful to the VFC original. Instead of a press in pin barrel, the barrel is held in by a single grub screw.

The CM.036 also has far inferior externals. When I first handled a CM.036, the first thing I noticed was how bad the metal was. It did not feel "cold" like it should. The finish was cheap paint. And when I tapped it, it sounded dull like plastic. Not to mention that on the real wood version, the wood does not even look close to that of any real AK in existence.

The CM.047 still has some external flaws. The finish still isn't great, but it's a step up. The receiver is at least stamped steel and not die cast pot metal. I'm not sure currently how much of it is pot metal and how much of it is steel.

[Saber]

CM040 is the newest VFC-takedown model.

Anyway, Dboys AK are actually blued(on the receiver) and painted over, go with those for best finishes.

[JChoi]

Like Saber said, the CM040 series are the latest models, with VFC takedown and more steel parts. That is why the CM047 is cheaper.

Is it a good gun? Sure. I have a CM031D, the only difference being a skeleton stock instead of a folding full stock. My gun was chrono'ed at 390 FPS, but there are people who have gotten up to 420 FPS stock. The bushings are plastic.

I have an Intellect 9.6v 1400mAh in my gun, and it shoots like a beast. Stock battery is reallyyy bad, so yeah, replace that ASAP.

As for which variant to get, well, that's totally up to you. I got an AK-105 sized model because the 74 was too long and 74U was too short.

[Stealthmaster]

Sweet, thanks guys.

Dboys might be better externally, but the internals don't seem to be quite up to par with CYMA. I was fine with the externals on my friend's CM036, so I'm sure I'll be plenty satisfied with the CM040D. I've also heard the stock performance of the Dboys isn't that great. The CYMA I handled was extremely accurate, especially for it being stock. Range was also very good.

Externals really don't matter a whole lot to me as long as it feels solid and looks pretty good.

Edited by Stealthmaster, 03 October 2009 - 01:26 PM.

[Norinco QBZ-95]

Stealthmaster, on 03 October 2009 - 01:25 PM, said:

Sweet, thanks guys.

Dboys might be better externally, but the internals don't seem to be quite up to par with CYMA. I was fine with the externals on my friend's CM036, so I'm sure I'll be plenty satisfied with the CM040D. I've also heard the stock performance of the Dboys isn't that great. The CYMA I handled was extremely accurate, especially for it being stock. Range was also very good.

Externals really don't matter a whole lot to me as long as it feels solid and looks pretty good.

It's much cheaper to replace a DBOYS internals than to replace a CYMA's externals.

[Stealthmaster]

Norinco QBZ-95, on 03 October 2009 - 01:33 PM, said:

It's much cheaper to replace a DBOYS internals than to replace a CYMA's externals.

I know, but I really like the CMO40D. (black furniture looks great) With Dboys, you would have to add metal bushings, a tightbore (I don't think an aftermarket barrel would be worth adding to the CYMA), and possibly the hop up chamber in order to get it up to par with CYMA.

It's not like the externals of the dboys are going to be miles ahead anyway.

[Saber]

Stealthmaster, on 03 October 2009 - 01:25 PM, said:

Sweet, thanks guys.

Dboys might be better externally, but the internals don't seem to be quite up to par with CYMA. I was fine with the externals on my friend's CM036, so I'm sure I'll be plenty satisfied with the CM040D. I've also heard the stock performance of the Dboys isn't that great. The CYMA I handled was extremely accurate, especially for it being stock. Range was also very good.

Externals really don't matter a whole lot to me as long as it feels solid and looks pretty good.

I actually got to compare a Dboys and CYMA gun.

They had the same piston and gears...even the same air nozzle(clear).
Dboys actually are pretty accurate(hitting a head at 100ft is pretty easy, could have been much easier if I just got that Kobra red dot...) and have good range(goes far past the paper plates/water bottle...etc I tested it against at 100ft).

I am not sure why people would think that CYMA performs much better, because barrel QUALITY matters more than inner diameter(some say CYMA > Dboys due to a tightbore barrel...).

I kind of liked 7mm metal bearings in Dboys guns, that saves some money(around $20).

Edited by Saber, 03 October 2009 - 01:51 PM.

[Norinco QBZ-95]

Stealthmaster, on 03 October 2009 - 01:48 PM, said:

I know, but I really like the CMO40D. (black furniture looks great) With Dboys, you would have to add metal bushings, a tightbore (I don't think an aftermarket barrel would be worth adding to the CYMA), and possibly the hop up chamber in order to get it up to par with CYMA.

It's not like the externals of the dboys are going to be miles ahead anyway.

No chamber needed. Just put in a Systema bucking and make a hard nub out of a pen ink tube.

I think the DBOYS externals are well worth it.

Saber, on 03 October 2009 - 01:49 PM, said:

I actually got to compare a Dboys and CYMA gun.

They had the same piston and gears...even the same air nozzle(clear).
Dboys actually are pretty accurate(hitting a head at 100ft is pretty easy, could have been much easier if I just got that Kobra red dot...) and have good range(goes far past the paper plates/water bottle...etc I tested it against at 100ft).

I am not sure why people would think that CYMA performs much better, because barrel QUALITY matters more than inner diameter(some say CYMA > Dboys due to a tightbore barrel...).

I kind of liked 7mm metal bearings in Dboys guns, that saves some money(around $20).

If you realign the front sight and fit and shim the rear sight, it will be dead on.

[Stealthmaster]

I haven't shot a Dboys, so I can't say for sure.

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No chamber needed. Just put in a Systema bucking and make a hard nub out of a pen ink tube.

I think the DBOYS externals are well worth it.

Can you use an H nub/SCS? (I'm not sure if it has a funky hop up)

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I think the DBOYS externals are well worth it.

Do they just "look better," or is the finish and overall quality of the materials better?

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I actually got to compare a Dboys and CYMA gun.

They had the same piston and gears...even the same air nozzle(clear).
Dboys actually are pretty accurate(hitting a head at 100ft is pretty easy, could have been much easier if I just got that Kobra red dot...) and have good range(goes far past the paper plates/water bottle...etc I tested it against at 100ft).

I am not sure why people would think that CYMA performs much better, because barrel QUALITY matters more than inner diameter(some say CYMA > Dboys due to a tightbore barrel...).

I kind of liked 7mm metal bearings in Dboys guns, that saves some money(around $20).

Hm, info on these two brands seems to be all over the place.lol People that have owned both say that CYMA usually has better internals. IDK... It's hard to tell who's telling the truth. lol What models did you compare?

Yeah, diameter pretty much means nothing, but I doubt the Dboys barrel is going to be of higher quality than CYMA. 7mm bearings can be kinda iffy for 400 fps though. (or at least some people seem to have problems)

I'm sure Dboys is a great brand, but I am not seeing a model I really like. I am more interested in a mid-sized AK-74 style gun. (AK noob, so excuse my incorrect terminology )

Edited by Stealthmaster, 03 October 2009 - 02:09 PM.

[Saber]

Stealthmaster, on 03 October 2009 - 02:08 PM, said:

I haven't shot a Dboys, so I can't say for sure.

Can you use an H nub/SCS? (I'm not sure if it has a funky hop up)
Do they just "look better," or is the finish and overall quality of the materials better?
Hm, info on these two brands seems to be all over the place.lol People that have owned both say that CYMA usually has better internals. IDK... It's hard to tell who's telling the truth. lol What models did you compare?
Yeah, diameter pretty much means nothing, but I doubt the Dboys barrel is going to be of higher quality than CYMA. 7mm bearings can be kinda iffy for 400 fps though. (or at least some people seem to have problems)
I'm sure Dboys is a great brand, but I am not seeing a model I really like. I am more interested in a mid-sized AK-74 style gun. (AK noob, so excuse my incorrect terminology )

Dboys' receiver's finishes are BLUED then painted over... that means better.

People tends to think that CYMA has better internals due to CYMA having worse externals.

Dboys have a RK-08(AK-105) which is THE Mid-sized AK you are looking for, and it is ak-10X style...

I compared Dboys' RK-02(bought from airsoftgi earlier this year) and a CYMA CM042. CYMA did not change that much internally in the newer models(pictures told me that they still used the same gears and piston).

Edited by Saber, 03 October 2009 - 02:18 PM.

[Stealthmaster]

Not sure what blued means, but okay lol.

Alright cool, thanks.

Where's the best place to get the Dboys AK-105? (ASGI doesn't have it, Pointact doesn't, Evike doesn't, Airsplat doesn't lol. Ehobby does, but I don't want to order from there.) What length is the barrel? (inner)

I'll consider Dboys, I still "feel" better about CYMA for some reason though.....

Edited by Stealthmaster, 03 October 2009 - 02:54 PM.

[Saber]

Stealthmaster, on 03 October 2009 - 02:49 PM, said:

Not sure what blued means, but okay lol.

Alright cool, thanks.

Where's the best place to get the Dboys AK-105? (ASGI doesn't have it, Pointact doesn't, Evike doesn't, Airsplat doesn't lol. Ehobby does, but I don't want to order from there.) What length is the barrel? (inner)

I'll consider Dboys, I still "feel" better about CYMA for some reason though.....

Bluing is the process of creating an oxidized layer(not rust) that protects against wear and rust... it is what many realsteel rifles(including AK family) are finished with or as part of the finishing process(ex: Somewhere during the progression of progressiveness, AK started being finished by bluing and then painted over).

RSOV, Gunners, oversea shipping is not as much as you think.

[JChoi]

Gunner sells it for $94, including shipping and that brings the price up to around the $150 range.

To be honest, I think you'll be happy with either model. Both guns will perform about the same stock. How much do you think you'll upgrade it?

I don't regret buying a CYMA, especially since there was no other AK-105 variant at the time, but if I had known I was going to upgrade my gun so much, I probably would have bought a DBoys.

[Stealthmaster]

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Bluing is the process of creating an oxidized layer(not rust) that protects against wear and rust... it is what many realsteel rifles(including AK family) are finished with or as part of the finishing process(ex: Somewhere during the progression of progressiveness, AK started being finished by bluing and then painted over).

RSOV, Gunners, oversea shipping is not as much as you think.

Thanks for explaining it.

JChoi, on 03 October 2009 - 03:26 PM, said:

Gunner sells it for $94, including shipping and that brings the price up to around the $150 range.

To be honest, I think you'll be happy with either model. Both guns will perform about the same stock. How much do you think you'll upgrade it?

I don't regret buying a CYMA, especially since there was no other AK-105 variant at the time, but if I had known I was going to upgrade my gun so much, I probably would have bought a DBoys.

Thanks.

I am thinking of just adding a SP110 spring, new O ring, Guarder or Systema bucking, SCS, Guarder spring guide, deans and maybe a new piston head. For the dboys, same thing, but a new barrel and metal bushings. If I get the CYMA, I might just leave the gearbox (just reshim/regrease, new O ring) and just add some accuracy parts.

[Miah]

I'm fairly happy with my RK-06, but I picked it up used & the PO(prev owner) had worked the gearbox over already. I went ahead & did a madbull TB, hop chamber, systema bucking, & SCS nub in it because I could. The only thing I wasn't happy with was the front sight block is canted a bit as well as the sight is loose in the block & moved sideways a fair amount. I temp fixed it with a bit of superglue until I can replace it with an affordable RS one or one off another Kalash.

I've heard good things about the newer Cyma's, but I haven't tried one out yet. I have noticed over a period of time quite a few Kalash AKs in the major store boneyards w/ mechanical issues, but only 1-2 of the newer Cyma models(.03x & above)


EDIT: Here's a list I received on ASF on which cyma AKs are VFC clones & which are TM clones. Looks like the 047 is TM & the 040 is VFC which would explain why the higher numbered one is cheaper.

"TM Cloned

AK-47 (cm.028)
AK-47s (cm.028s)
AK-74 (cm.031)
AK-105, no folding stock (cm.031b)
AKS-74U (cm.035)
AKM (cm.036)
AK-47 metal bodied (cm.042
AK-47s metal bodied (cm.042s)
AK-105 skeleton stock (cm.031d)
AKS-74 skeleton stock (cm.031c)
AK "Tactical" with LE stock and top rail (cm.039c)
AK-105 full folding stock (cm.047d)
AK-74m full folding stock (cm.047c)
AK-47 with TM cloned recoil blowback system (cm.046)
AK Spetsnatz with real wood, metal body (cm.042b)
AK Spetsnatz (cm.037)

VFC Cloned

AKS-74U (cm.045)
AKM (cm.048m)
AK-74 (cm.048)
AK-74m (cm.040c)
AK-105 (cm.040d)
AIMS & AIMS PMC (cm.050 & cm.050a)
AKMS (cm.050s)

Cyma doesn't make any AK-47 derivatives that are VFC cloned. But no one else does either."

Edited by Miah, 03 October 2009 - 07:54 PM.

[Stealthmaster]

Yeah, I have really never seen a CYMA AK in the boneyard. (few of them)

I honestly just have a better gut feeling about the CYMA. For some reason, I just don't have a lot of faith in Dboys.

Thanks for the help guys.

[JChoi]

Stealthmaster, on 03 October 2009 - 08:29 PM, said:

Yeah, I have really never seen a CYMA AK in the boneyard. (few of them)

I honestly just have a better gut feeling about the CYMA. For some reason, I just don't have a lot of faith in Dboys.

Thanks for the help guys.

Good luck with your purchase. To be honest, I kind of went with a gut feeling/bias that the CYMA was going to be better than the DBoys, and I'm pretty content at the moment. Though, a stamped steel body would be a neat thing to have.

I think we all know that the JG AK-47 is the king of defective guns... you can't go to a boneyard in a store without seeing several.

[judkinsa]

I have owned the CM028 and the CM028s and both worked flawlessly. I would definitely replace the bushings and the battery though, and a 6.04 tightbore does wonders in it.

[Norinco QBZ-95]

Stealthmaster, on 03 October 2009 - 02:08 PM, said:

Can you use an H nub/SCS? (I'm not sure if it has a funky hop up)

I wouldn't waste money on that when the ink tube costs a few cents.

Stealthmaster, on 03 October 2009 - 02:08 PM, said:

Do they just "look better," or is the finish and overall quality of the materials better?

All of them. The finish is more durable and looks more realistic. It's closer to the matte epoxy finish that Izhmash puts on their AK-10X series. The materials are better too.

Stealthmaster, on 03 October 2009 - 02:08 PM, said:

Hm, info on these two brands seems to be all over the place.lol People that have owned both say that CYMA usually has better internals. IDK... It's hard to tell who's telling the truth. lol What models did you compare?

CYMA probably does have better internals. But considering that both of them are ACM companies, that doesn't mean much. CYMA internals aren't that much better. The externals of the DBOYS makes up for however much better the CYMA internals may be.

Miah, on 03 October 2009 - 07:43 PM, said:

I'm fairly happy with my RK-06, but I picked it up used & the PO(prev owner) had worked the gearbox over already. I went ahead & did a madbull TB, hop chamber, systema bucking, & SCS nub in it because I could. The only thing I wasn't happy with was the front sight block is canted a bit as well as the sight is loose in the block & moved sideways a fair amount. I temp fixed it with a bit of superglue until I can replace it with an affordable RS one or one off another Kalash.

Replacing the front sight block isn't going to fix the cant. That problem is with the barrel. I have a guide here on how to do it. It's basically the same as you would do if you were fixing a real steel AK, but easier.

[Miah]

just said the cant was something I was a bit unhappy with, never said I was replacing the FSB just to fix that 1 specific problem.

Edited by Miah, 04 October 2009 - 09:46 AM.

[Stealthmaster]

Norinco QBZ-95, on 04 October 2009 - 09:14 AM, said:

I wouldn't waste money on that when the ink tube costs a few cents.

SCS does wonders for accuracy. It's definitely one of the best upgrades out there.

Well, I'll think about it.

Thanks for all the help guys

[Norinco QBZ-95]

Stealthmaster, on 04 October 2009 - 12:11 PM, said:

SCS does wonders for accuracy. It's definitely one of the best upgrades out there.

I meant if you're on the cheap side and want to use the gun as close to stock as possible. If you get a new nub like that, you should probably upgrade some of the other compression related parts too.

[Stealthmaster]

Norinco QBZ-95, on 04 October 2009 - 12:37 PM, said:

I meant if you're on the cheap side and want to use the gun as close to stock as possible. If you get a new nub like that, you should probably upgrade some of the other compression related parts too.

It's like $8 shipped, so it won't break the bank.

How good is the compression with a new O ring? What about the seal between the nozzle and cylinder head?

[Norinco QBZ-95]

Stealthmaster, on 04 October 2009 - 12:41 PM, said:

It's like $8 shipped, so it won't break the bank.

How good is the compression with a new O ring? What about the seal between the nozzle and cylinder head?

If we're still talking about DBOYS, I'd say it's decent in stock. The o-ring is fine. The nozzle to cylinder fit is like any other ACM gun.

[Taco]

The only Dboys AK I've ever handled was incredibly light for being full-steel, and the wood grips felt like *****. I can't comment on the accuracy because the owner was an idiot who didn't know how to adjust his hop-up and was using .12g BBs.

Edited by they7692, 04 October 2009 - 02:33 PM.