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[Romulus]

As part of the site update I am rebuilding the sale section. The update was necessary because our old system had broken down and had become unusable for the staff. If you have questions or suggestions feel free to post them here. However, this is not the place for arguments or complaints. We would like to fine tune things but we are not going to completely redesign again.

PLEASE READ THE NEW RULES

We have changed a number of things and we will not have a grace period. You are responsible for knowing what the sale section rules are.

Here's a link: Sale Section Rules

I also have a link to the post explaining how the changeover will work: Update Info

[OvermedicateD]

So where is the place for arguments and complaints?

[Dragon M.]

About the change or sellers?

Complaints about sellers and buyers can be here: http://airsoft-barra...hp?showforum=71

Complaints about the change can be made here.

[OvermedicateD]

Very well then Dragon.

My complaint/suggestion, would be to allow user bumps to be allowed. Bumps are vital to keep sale threads on top of the list. Otherwise, sales that may interest some people would be much less likely to be found if they are 4 pages back. It may be a hassle to enforce the bump rule, perhaps you could allow more moderators to be able to moderate that section. Besides, if the section rules say that Mods and Admins are going to be looking at threads for indicators that they should be locked, as all the items are sold, they might as well use that time in a particular thread to check if any bumps made within 48 hours. Just my $0.02.

Edited by OvermedicateD, 31 July 2009 - 01:31 AM.

[Romulus]

I'll address this tonight. I'm on my iPhone right now and it would take too long to type it all out.

However, I will say that the points you make were taken into consideration and that we still felt that this was the best way to proceed.

[Thelionheart]

What if you have been trying to sell something for forever, you have all the specifications in the original thread and no one has posted about it? It will just fall down to the bottom pages and the item will look like it is not for sale anymore.

[Lounge Act]

You can't bump things anymore? The 48 hour rule seemed to be working out pretty good.

[Madkows]

You can do a 48 hour bump.


Just take lots of pictures.

[Lounge Act]

with the posting helpful advice instead of bump, couldnt that cause alot more "bumps" than just a 48 hour literal bump?

[Romulus]

Before I start my replies I would like to point out a distinction between a "bump" and bringing your thread to the top of the sale section. There are many ways to bring your thread to the top (like adding content or updating things) a "bump" is another way to bring your thread to the top. A "bump" is just a null post that adds no content and is simply used to being ones thread to the top of a forum. We are doing away with "bumps" but there's still lots of ways to get your thread to the top. It just so happens that these ways are more meaningful. Arguing that threads will just get buried just doesn't hold water since that isn't the case.

I would also like to point out that this is not a new concept. Arnies has been using a no "bump" system for years now and they have the best Sale Section that I have come across so far. This is a proven concept.
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Bumps are vital to keep sale threads on top of the list. Otherwise, sales that may interest some people would be much less likely to be found if they are 4 pages back.

I think that the firs thing that has to be understood is that doing away with "bumps" does not mean that sale threads will get buried. There are still many ways (like price drops) to bring your thread to the top. I detail these in the new rules so I'm not going to talk about what works and what doesn't here. The point is that not being able to "bump" a thread doesn't mean that you cannot keep bringing your thread to the top in productive ways. In fact, when everyone can bump there your threads tend to stay buried anyway since as soon as you bump other people are bumping to get ahead of you.

Chances are, if your thread is 4 pages back, it is probably time to give more info or lower the price anyway.

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It may be a hassle to enforce the bump rule, perhaps you could allow more moderators to be able to moderate that section.

More mods doesn't really help since we still don't know what the others have covered. More staff could be a band aid for a broken system but things will only get worse as the forum grows. We want a proactive solution that will work in the long term. Also, the very fact that we have to deal with so many violations means that there is something that needs to change.

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Besides, if the section rules say that Mods and Admins are going to be looking at threads for indicators that they should be locked, as all the items are sold, they might as well use that time in a particular thread to check if any bumps made within 48 hours.

The fact that the staff have to look at new posts in all threads is exactly why we cannot have "bumps" anymore. Probably +80% of new posts right now are bumps. That means that by doing in bumps we can make the whole system vastly more efficient. There's also a lot of time wasted on deleting bumps that violate the 48 hour rule since so many people seem to not take it very seriously.

Also, under the new rules we ask that posters notify a mod via PM when it is time for their thread to be closed.
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What if you have been trying to sell something for forever, you have all the specifications in the original thread and no one has posted about it? It will just fall down to the bottom pages and the item will look like it is not for sale anymore.

I think that I have already pretty much covered how it doesn't have to just fade away but I would like to point out that if your item isn't selling or getting any interest it is probably time for you to lower your price which, incidentally, also brings your thread back to the top.

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with the posting helpful advice instead of bump, couldnt that cause alot more "bumps" than just a 48 hour literal bump?

I'm not going to dig into this too far since it could be interpenetrated differently but I want to point out that "helpful advise" is a free bump and will get the poster warned/banned from the sale section. Relevant information is helpful and needs to be posted so if there are a few more bumps (to follow your hypothesis) nothing is hurt since it all needed to be posted anyway. Also, it could be posted under our current set of rules and since we haven't seen a problem with that (and Arnies doesn't have that problem) I don't think that we have anything to worry about.

[Thelionheart]

I however, can not and will not drop my 100 dollar stock below $50. I already have all the relevent info and pics. The only reason it is not selling is because the stock is not in high demand. I don't think people are turned off by the price, I think they are turned off by the look of the stock (I like the look, but whatever).
Since the amount of people wanting the stock is so low, the chances of someone seeing it who wants to buy is almost zero.

[Lounge Act]

Can't there be a warning period or something similar before we lock sales threads up like crazy?

[Madkows]

I'm bumping this thread in an attempt to get the newer/lazier members of ASB to read the updated rules...

ASB's sale section has been rampant with bumps lately, and I would like to remind all of those involved with
sales threads that bumping is NOT allowed threads. The creator of the thread may only post in their thread to respond to a question or for a price drop. We would prefer the former be taken to PM's as well.

We've changed the rules in order to keep the sales section less cluttered.

This is just a heads up. I will start enforcing the sales section rules much more strictly after this.


-Madkows.

[Freshman]

Looks like I have been breaking a few bump rules without realizing... Thank you Kows for the reminder.

[Annun Cirith]

I don't know how to say this, but it seems that with the advent of the new rules, a lot of people have not been paying attention to them, as there is still a rash of bumps.. also appears that there is a lack of patrol on the sale forums. I hate to be rude so please don't take that as an attack on the mods- just stating my observations.